Teaching Triumph: Matt Duffy on Sport, Life, and Survival

In this episode of Taking Healthcare by Storm, Quality Insights Medical Director Dr. Jean Storm speaks with Matt Duffy, a teacher, coach, athlete, and cardiac arrest survivor.

Matt shares how he collapsed from sudden cardiac arrest during an October 2025 scrimmage and survived because teammates quickly used CPR and an on-site AED. He describes hurling, reflects on how the experience reinforced his priorities in coaching and mentorship, and urges broader CPR/AED readiness and advocacy for heart disease screening even when there are no warning signs.

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Hi, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Taking Healthcare by Storm. I am Dr. Jean Storm, the medical director here at Quality Insights. Today's guest is Matt Duffy, a teacher, coach, athlete, and survivor, whose story is both powerful and deeply inspiring. Matt has long been involved in the Irish sport of hurling. If you have not heard of it, we're gonna talk a little bit about it today. It is a fast-paced and physically demanding game that has built strong friendships and community in his life. But during a match last October, everything changed in an instant when he suddenly collapsed on the field from cardiac arrest. What happened next became an extraordinary example of preparation, teamwork, and quick action. Matt's teammates immediately began CPR using an AED that was on site, and ultimately helped save his life before emergency responders arrived. Remarkably, Matt recovered with minimal long-term effects, something doctors say would have been far less likely without the rapid response of those around him. Today, we're going to talk about Matt's journey as a teacher and coach, how he found the sport of hurling, what he remembers from the day of the cardiac arrest, and whether there were any warning signs beforehand. We'll also talk about how the experience changed his outlook on life, what he now teaches students and athletes about resilience and mental health, and why he believes CPR and AED awareness can make the difference between life and death. This story is ultimately one about community, preparation, gratitude, and the incredible impact ordinary people can have in extraordinary moments. Matt Duffy, thank you so much for joining me today. Well, hey, Dr. Jean. Thanks for having me. This is so um... It was like it was meant to be the day that we met. And that what you do and your podcast, of course I've had an opportunity to listen to some of your, previous podcasts. And of course my experience on the hurling pitch and how we started to talk, and it's like wow maybe we could have a conversation, and here we are. So thank you so much for having me. Yeah. I'm happy to have you. A- and as I said in the intro, te- you're a teacher, coach, athlete. All roles centered around leadership and community. How did you come to do the work you do today, and what drew you into coaching and mentoring others? Okay. So, Oh boy, competition really. growing up in Smethport, Pennsylvania, very rural area of Northwestern Pennsylvania, in a v- the stereotypical Irish Catholic family. There are 10 of us Duffeys that grew up there in Smethport. And of course, anytime there was a ball kicking around or a ball to throw around or to shoot into a hoop, we were playing And competition, without a doubt is what drove all of us, and very competitive family. Lots of fighting for sure. And it just... It was kind of way of life for us growing up to get our hands on a basketball or a football or hit the baseball, you name it. And that's just kind of the way it was growing up. We were always outside playing, and very competitive. And so it started at a very early age for me. And then of course, four older sisters. Oh my goodness, wow. I think I was, I was prepared or was being prepared to be a teacher from the time I can remember with all of my siblings. My goodness, the experiences and the things have definitely prepared me for the classroom and the athletic field. No question about it. So that really started at a very young age for me. I was gonna say f- fighting maybe prepared you for the classroom, but Right? Yeah. It's tough now- Oh ... teaching teenagers, right? Oh, for sure. Yeah. You never lose... You never forget those lessons growing up, that's for sure. And if those lessons aren't learned and reinforced at some point, you never get them back. But certainly, without a doubt. And just the passion to compete. I reme- you know, just certain things. And I remember s- the first time I swung a baseball bat and that sound and that feeling of hitting the ball, and it was just embedded. In football, same thing. Where I grew up, football was it. A- and we just... It was in our DNA to compete on the gridiron. And probably the biggest person early in my life that really kind of molded me into this educator/competitor athlete, and then of course coach, was my priest. So there again, I've kind of fit, kind of checked the Irish Catholic box there as far as the priest who taught me how to box and then went to all my events, football, basketball, baseball. We boxed in the summer to get in shape for something and then ended up becoming a pretty good runner until football took over. But Monsignor Geddes, and he has a connection to Erie County. Actually, Father Geddes, he started the wrestling program at Cathedral Prep, and he had the St. Patrick's boxing card in Erie through Cathedral Prep for years. And so I had this unbelievable person in my life as a young person, kind of reinforced all those things that I believed as far as of course my faith, my religion- and then competition in sports. And fair play for sure, but that didn't mean you didn't stretch the rules as much as possible, because winning is, a lot of fun and, and losing not so much, but yeah, he was a huge impact in my life early on. Nice. So no doubt. So we're gonna talk about what happened when you had the cardiac arrest but just briefly- Yeah to set the scene, for people who have not heard of it, what exactly is hurling? Okay. Yeah, how did you get involved? So the first... So Jean, the first thing is and I was, I made the same mistake. It's amazing, every s- as many sports as I played, I had heard of hurling but never investigated it. So the first thing is, is when you tell somebody you play hurling, and my Irish teammates allow me to use a little bit of the brogue- I say hurlan because when I go into my little brogue they tell me to shut up, because, "Duffy, you sound stupid. You're not an Irishman, you're from America, and you're not... Shut up, you stupid American." but hurlan with a little bit of a brogue helps you understand that it's hurlan with an H, because many people wanna say curlin, and that's the sport that originated in Scotland, and that's when they were rolling rocks along the ice up there in Scotland. But you gotta go to Ireland to play hurlan, and hurlan is an unbelievable sport. And to describe hurlan, probably the best thing to do is to say go to YouTube and type in hurlan with an H, the fastest game on grass, and there's a five minute and 22 second video, that's the best one, with subtitles that explains the game. But without a doubt... And so I play for Cleveland, I play for the Cleveland Saints, and I was the goal keeper for five years. And I plan on returning next year. I've given my team one year to replace me, and I'm going full, full-blown rehab to get back. But it's really, the best sport to compare it to would be lacrosse. So hurlan is the oldest, it's the national sport of Ireland, it's the oldest sport in Europe's history. It's over 3,000 years old, whereas lacrosse here in America is about 900 years old. Hurlan combines a, a lot of skills you would see in lacrosse, but also, oh my goodness, so soccer. The positions in hurlan are similar to soccer, although we play with 13, and when we get to nationals you always have to play 15s on 15. Rugby, very physical. In terms of basketball, you're boxing guys out for position. In football, you're highballing. So the ball's the size of a baseball, but it's a lot, it's lighter than a baseball. The stick that we use is, it's really hard to describe it. It would be like a hockey stick on steroids, I guess. it almost looks like an elongated a hockey stick, but with a great big head at the end of it, which looks kind of like an ax, to be honest with you. And when you don't hit the ball and you hit somebody else it's not always a good thing. But just different aspects of, probably ice hockey, similar, 'cause you can strike the ball on the ground, you can kick the ball li- as in soccer. And it just it's, you really have to watch it. Check out that video to get an idea really what hurlan's about but very physical. Basically there's two roles in hurlan. Don't strike somebody in the back, and don't hit anybody when your feet are off the ground, and basically everything else goes Okay? Now, I'm the goalkeeper, and so, you know, in soccer, when the ball comes into the square, it's hands off. But in hurling, when the ball comes or the s- the sliotar or sliotar, it's called in Gaelic, comes into the box, into the square, it's all hands on deck. And so wearing a different colored uniform, I am a great big target, and it is survival mode. It goes from zero to 100 instantly. The field is 150 yards long by about 90 yards wide Okay? And so that the, the play can be taken place a long way away, and one, and then, and within two or three seconds here comes everybody on deck, and it's, high stress for sure. Yeah ... and it's amazing, and it's awesome, and it's brutal, and it's fantastic. That's the best way I can describe hurling but it's something else. In all the sports that I've played it's a the skill set is you bring everything to bear. I mean growing up I swing lefty-righty, so I didn't switch hit a lot i- in baseball but use that skill as a tennis player. I swing right. The golf club's right-handed, but I play tennis left-handed, so I'm a switch hitter. I and as a goalie in hurling, that is a huge, huge thing. It's a must to be able to get the ball out of there as quickly as possible because they're coming for you. It's pretty awesome. So that sets the scene I think, 'cause you had a cardiac arrest on the field. Yes. So what happened? W- what do you remember, and what have you kind of gleaned afterward about that moment? Right. So it was Sunday, October 12th, 2025. And so the Cleveland Saints we really, the team formed in 2021, and so I've been lucky as the keeper to be a part of three national championship games. We won two out of the three. we've had a lot of success. 2025, not so much. We were back-to-back national champs. We came back to defend the title. We lost the region title to Pittsburgh which eliminated us from an opportunity to go to the national tournament. So in October, the season had been over for several weeks, and we had had our banquet the night before, and it was just a get-together the next day for the men and women's teams. We have two men's teams and the women's camogie team who just got together. We split the teams up into smaller teams just to play, just to scrimmage basically. And so I had planned on retiring and so I played the field and s- so that our new goalkeeper could be between the posts. And and so here I am competing on the pitch, and I told you the dimensions, and I was playing midfield. And of course I'm, my, everybody I'm playing is half my age. I'm an old fart when it comes to this. And so I'm trying to keep up with that. And so it's halftime and I'm gassed, but I'm starting to get my get my breath back, and I went over and, and grabbed a bottle of water. And I'm walking back to the huddle, and I took a sip, and that's the last thing I remember. The next thing I remember, I'm waking up groggy like I had been hit by a freight train. No pain, just foggy brained And I woke up and I said, "Oh my gosh," I was embarrassed because, yes, we had celebrated the night before. It was an early morning, a late night, early morning, and up we were playing at 10, 10 o'clock in the morning. And I felt embarrassed because I thought I had passed out from dehydration, to be honest with you. And of course I said, "Hey guys, give me some water. I can play." And I tried to sit up and they said, "Duff, stay down." And I'm like, "Okay, what happened?" and they said... I said, "I passed out." They said, "No." Well, they said, "Yes." They said, "You had a cardiac arrest." And I said, "Oh, crap." And so then I knew my world had changed. But I do not re- I did not feel anything whatsoever. I just... I was exhausted. I was getting my breath back, and then I woke up. And then of course, I come to find out everything that happened after that with my team within a team, the code team. And I've learned some of these, these terms that I had never known before- Yeah ... after the event, so then the team my teammate on the women's team, Yi, Mary Wang, Dr. Wang, she ran the code, so she was the foot of the bed. So there's another one I'd never heard of before. And she's the first person I saw when I woke up. And so one thing that in the article if, if your listeners get to check out the article, if they would che- check out that article the number of medical personnel on my team w- is amazing. But in terms of, and the biggest reason we're here, right, Jean, is to promote and be advocates for life-saving care, like an AED. So what my teammates brought to bear, teams and clubs and organizations don't need all this stuff to save a life. I was just lucky that they were all there and so we had two doctors. One was a pathologist, which was kind of funny because at some point I was told, they said, "Hey Danny, you ain't getting him today and you ain't getting him tomorrow." And he was on the compression team. And so we had two docs. We had a nurse practitioner there. She was recording everything. We had two, two other nurses who were monitoring my airway. We had a pulse ox on me. Of course the AED And then, of course my coach Damon, he's a Cleveland city police officer, so he's certified in first aid and CPR, and he's the one working on me when I came back after they had shocked me. But we had like four, no less than four people at any one time, and the compression line, so they were working me over pretty good. And so I guess the entire event, because I did- thankfully I didn't flat line right away, so you know, the running theory is that plaque probably obstructed my blood pathway, which is what- Sure put me down. So this is interesting you mention that. Were there any warning signs or symptoms in the days or weeks leading up? No. That, and you know, Jean, that's the thing, and I know we're gonna get to it, but no warning signs. So what are the rest of us supposed to do? Right. For a guy as active as me, and by the way, if you see me play anything, there's not a lot of gray area. I am a maniac, okay? I'm okay admitting that. And fear doesn't really play into the equation. And so somebody as active as me, I don't... Give me a tennis racket give me a basketball give me a, a, a, a Hurley, whatever, goes down with a cardiac arrest. So what are the rest of us supposed to do? We're, we all feel like we're healthy if we're eating right and we're exercising and we're active, right? But there were no warning signs really. I mean, I was overweight. I was probably 15, 20 pounds overweight, but I had my hands and my feet. I'm the goalie. And so I was being a slacker. I was getting away with it because my job was to stop goals, and that's what I did. I did it well. So but other than that, no. There was no real warning signs for it. So that's kind of the scary part for all of us. Yeah. So lifestyle change after the fact? Heck yeah. No doubt. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah, that's a great question. Because otherwise how are we supposed to know? So, so I think the word of the day for me that I wanna share, and again, I think we'll talk about it, s- is advocacy. We wanna advocate. Yes. So you talked about the teammates and the AED and every p- everybody who was kind of on site- Yeah who played a huge role in saving your life. So how has that experience changed the way you think about preparation, teamwork, and even everyday life, like in teaching and like how you see your life now? Well, that's another great question, Jean, and I think- I don't think I've changed my mindset. I think that's the big, my thinking. Life has become a lot simpler for me, and I don't necessarily think that I've changed, but I think what now that I already knew becomes more important, so I prioritize more. And I think it reinforced what I already knew, but these things become more important So again, you prioritize things. And so now I think if it's important, I need to take action. I need to make that happen. In, in my life professionally as a teacher as a coach I think I'm more approachable. But I stepped away from coaching for a long time. As a single parent it was important to be the best dad- Yeah ... that I could. So, so now that I've come back w- as a matter of fact, I was already set to be the assistant swim coach before the, the event. And I did that. Actually, I saw my team swim in their first meet. I never saw a practice. So I was wo- I was working the watch for a while, you know what I'm saying? Sure. Um, But of course I immediately said, "What's my skill set?" As far as my thinking changing, and I was a coach forever, and I coached football, basketball, and baseball. I was a year-round coach. And so I said, "I wanna get back to that." So that definitely, my thinking was I need to get back to my skill set. I need to get back to doing what I do. Okay. And so coming back to coaching was a no-brainer. I'm a baseball guy, and it just so happened that it didn't end up being baseball this spring. We hired at Girard, a, a teacher at Girard High School in Girard, Pennsylvania, a new young softball coach fresh out of college, all fired up, ready to go, and she's fantastic, Cheyenne Hinman. And they said, "Hey, she's never coached high school. Duff, would you be her assistant coach and mentor?" I'm like, "My boss is... I'm gonna be mentoring my boss? Is she okay with this? Does she know about this?" And it was fantastic. Girard softball, for the first time in years, almost 10 years, we made the playoffs. We turned the, the program around, we feel, and we're headed in a positive direction. So in that sense, Jean, in that sense for sure the event, it got me again. It didn't change things, but it reinforced what I already knew, and what I needed to do was get back into coaching. And so now here I am. That's amazing. Yeah. That's amazing story. So, y- so now you're, communicating with students in, in many different ways as a teacher and coach. So do you talk with your students or athletes about what happened with the cardiac arrest? Ever- Well, you know, you know- ... yeah, do you think that- I've been, yeah, I've been asked that before. And the answer maybe surprisingly is no. Not because I- you know, haven't wanted to But I, think, 'cause I cracked a couple jokes, and they went over really badly. And I- so I'll give you an example. So we're at swim practice and a couple of our swimmers were working on their turns, and the one had been really struggling. And I think it was in the freestyle. And so we sent one of the veteran the older swimmers to go down to that end and work with this younger swimmer on, on her turns. And well, so, so Coach Pierre sent me down to check. And as I'm walking down, I hear this girl say, " do it again and I'm just gonna die." And I said, "Been there, done that." And like, "Coach Duffy, Mr. Duffy, you can't talk like that. What are you doing?" And then word got around. I'm like, "Jeez, guys, I was just..." I mean, the joke's on me. I mean, if anybody's allowed to joke about it, but I guess it was too early. In class I thought I had an opportunity to talk about it, and it really fell flat, and to me, it's so important that I was really disappointed that the kids didn't quite get it. But it just wasn't really quite the group that you could have that conversation with, unfortunately. But that is definitely something that is a priority for me to be able to share because it is so important. And you know, heart disease is the number one killer in America- Yeah ... above cancer and accidents and all of that stuff. It's heart disease. And so how do we... For me, the one thing, and for those that s- that suffer from heart disease and there's a lot of us out there there's nothing you can do about genetics. We- that's where we come from, and so there's a history in my family for sure. As a matter of fact, when I came back the EMTs didn't believe that I had a cardiac arrest. They only believed it because Rachel, the one nurse, was writing down all the information, the time when I flat-lined, all my numbers. And they're like, "Holy cow, he really did have a cardiac arrest." "Yeah, he did. We zapped him." because it came back so quickly. So anyway getting off on a tangent there. But as far as the students go I think we will have that conversation because there's the real five, genetics being number one. But then again stress- Yeah ... exercise diet, and of course the one which the students that I was trying to talk to kind of went off the rails when I talked about smoking, and of course we're talking vaping, right? Yeah. And so these things that trigger heart disease that, that are factors. For me the, the genetics was really was the big one that was working against me. It turned out to be a quadruple bypass for me. The widow maker, for example, was 100% blocked. So, so the one doctor who did my my initial work, he's like, "Duff, Duffy- your genes, your DNA are something special and they can be a real hindrance. And so he showed me what saved me was my secondary vessels my secondary arteries and blood vessels, which had been working for a long time to bypass this problem that I was having. But obviously my problem was cholesterol and my just DNA, which allowed this, this problem that, that exists in my genetics, you know? Yes. So you talked a little bit about being a coach, and you've been around a lot of teams obviously in your years, and I just wanna get your input. We've had a lot of individuals on the podcast talking about the importance of young adults, teenagers participating in team sports and the impact that can have on mental health going forward that maybe there's a link here because we've seen a bit of a decline in individuals participating in team sports. So do you think being part of a team, I mean, you're, you've seen, you've been part of a team yourself, and you've been a coach. Do you think that provides mental health benefits for students and young people beyond just the physical fitness? Absolutely. There, no question about it. The statistics don't lie as far as graduation rates, as far as student success after high school. I- in terms some of those, those awful events w- with teen suicide participation in, in, in athletics, extracurriculars, all those numbers go down. Everything trends in the positive direction when you get young people involved in teams. I believed this for a long time, I never really put it into a statement, but I kind of came up with the way we play has much to say. And I'm not a poet at all, Jean, but anyway, I did come up with that one. But this, th- this whole idea of playing for each other, the team concept, sacrificing. At the end of the school year finals are done and you have time, and there's usually a couple days, and so you take the kids outside. And I swear, and I, I'm, I'm surprised again this year where I see these kids, whether they're playing football or they're, they're shooting hoops, or you name it and I'm like, "Wow that kid's an athlete. Wha- is that kid playing, is that kid playing football?" or, "Is that kid playing soccer?" And they're like, " no, they played, but they quit couple years ago." And I'm like, "Oh my gosh, we got them to play and now they're not participating." And you see it all the time. And the point is, of course, to be able to be on a team takes sacrifice, and it takes hard work, and it takes a commitment. And those kids that stick with it it pays them back really for the rest of their life. And, you know, if I could pass a law that said every kid had to participate in some form of extracurricular activity I would, I would do it because it's that important. Self, building self-confidence empowering kids, building on what they've learned and becoming, you know- You don't improve overnight. I remember in baseball coming, this, this fantastic scout for the Minnesota Twins, h- him and I, our paths kept crossing. It was so ironic. I was teaching and coaching in DuBois, Pennsylvania, but then I would run into him in Salamanca when I was coaching up there, and then at Edinboro University and I'd see him down in Florida doing his thing, scouting. And I remember him and I in one of our conversations talking about... He goes, "You know, if you wanna teach a new skill, it takes 20 hours to teach one skill." Wow. And that is a commitment to improve. So we're not gonna improve overnight, but if, and what I like to tell players is, "If you can improve today in practice 1%, we just want 1%." Just improve 1% every, every time. Work on something and see improvement every day, and it builds, and that's really what teamwork is all about, and about that commitment to your team. And then of course you represent your team, and you represent your school- Yeah ... and all those great things. And so it's kind of really cool, especially when you're playing the way you're supposed to play. And we're coaches, right? And you're, you're hearing, that from a coach, so that's what I would say. The way that you play, the way that the team plays has much to say, and that just- Yeah builds so much into the character of a young person. It's priceless. Yes. So I love that quote the way you put it. Oh, thank you. Hey, I wrote it down. All right. Yes. Well, awesome. Yay. So last question. If there's one thing you wish every parent, coach, athlete, or just the everyday person listening understood about cardiac arrest, CPR, AEDs, what would it be? And what actions do you hope people take after they hear your story? Okay. Well, thanks for that. That's a big one. That's an important one. Cardiac arrest, my situation, it didn't hurt at all. I didn't feel a darn thing. Not one thing. It didn't hurt. I didn't get a warning, nothing. Just down. So literally in my case, I was a walking heart attack. I was a walking cardiac arrest. Imagine playing in Denver or San Francisco or Chicago or Boston in these huge games and going down, that would've been one thing. There would've been all of the medical attention you could've imagined, right? Well, it just so happened I had the same thing at my scrimmage with my team that day. But not everybody does. And so what I can say is you just don't know. And we need to be, and here's the word again, is advocates. And so advocate for the best medical you can get. The AED, absolutely everybody, every team should have one. But in another sense, Jean, is parents. You mentioned what do you say to parents and others is, okay, now I am a teacher in a public school, so I belong to a union. So shame on me, I haven't done this yet. So I'm a hypocrite, but I won't be forever. I promise I'll do this if we talk again, is go to your union. Listen if heart disease is the number one killer in America, over 680,000, why don't we screen for it? Why isn't it part of our yearly physical or five-year, send the box, the colonoscopy thing. The crap in the box. I don't know how else to say it. We do that, but why not... And you know, there's so many non-invasive ways to check for it. A CT scan, ultrasound. You can do the brachial arterial comparison, right? Where you check for blockage in the lower extremities. Things like that. Be an advocate, right? Ask for those things, because you really, we don't really know. Look at my example. I mean, I'm running all over the field like a crazy. You know how many times my coach wanted to pull his hair out because, "Duffy, what are you doing?" I'm 20, 15, 20 meters outside the goalpost racing down a ball that I know my fullback isn't gonna get to. Now who's guarding the, the net? My teammates got my back, but I'm sprinting. I'm going crazy. and that same guy who can play at that level goes down with a cardiac arrest. Are you kidding me? Right? So be a- be advocates. Be our best advocates. Because we just don't know. And all those things. I- I would say lifestyle choices and changes maybe. We wanna be the healthiest version and mentally and physically of ourselves that we can, and those require decisions and changes sometimes if we wanna be honest with ourselves, because it's not always just about us. I'm a parent. I'm a dad So, sorry. So last thing I would say for, for those, if I wanted to leave a message, would be just be advocates, stay active. And you know, as a former boxer as well, Jean, I didn't get a chance to share that, but Father Geddes, my boxing coach, we had one rule. Because I was left-handed, so I even cheated in boxing. I fought right-handed, so my best punch was my left hook. You never saw it coming, right? But our one rule was never back up. You couldn't back up, right? And so in terms of my skill set in terms of whatever sport I'm playing, that was kind of a rule for me. I'm a serve and volley guy on the tennis court, which makes me a pain in the neck to play, 'cause I'm always in your face. But in terms of figuratively what is the best advice I would give is be an advocate and never t- never take no for an a- don't take no for an answer. So never back up. And I think that's my overwhelming message for everybody. And if they can learn from this story and take that that I think would be really important, and that would be awesome I think. Great message. Great message. So we are gonna link, you talked about the article, we are gonna link that in the podcast episode. But if people have any questions for you, where can we p- can they get, reach you v- via email, and what is that email? Oh yeah, sure. So a- again, I'm a teacher at Girard High School, so my school email would be fantastic. And so that is matt.duffy@girardsd.org. So that's M-A-T-T dot D-U-F-F-Y at Girard, G-I-R-A-R-D-S-D, as in school district, .org. So shoot me an email, and yeah. Any more of the story that I can share, I'd absolutely like to be my own self-advocate, right? Right. for the importance of AEDs, first aid, CPR, for because it saved my life. Yeah. It is a thing. Yes, life-saving. It's a big deal. Yeah, absolutely. Matt Duffy, this was an inspiring story. I really enjoyed the conversation. Thanks so much for joining me today. Oh, thank you for having me, Jean, and all the best. And thanks to all of your listeners for tuning in.

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